So what are those shapes in the Bodygraph, and what do they mean?

On today’s episode we start to learn about the 9 Human Design energy centers. There’s a lot to cover, so in this one we get it started by exploring the Head, Ajna, Throat, and Will centers and how those energies express if defined or undefined.

Grab a copy of your bodygraph and let’s dig in!

TRANSCRIPT: This was transcribed by AI and reviewed by my eyes, but still may contain grammatical and sometimes spelling mistakes I may have missed. Please excuse any errors, and enjoy!

Episode 005- The Centers Part 1
[00:00:00] Dana: So we have the defined areas, defined centers and the undefined centers. And so what’s interesting, is that what that means, if you think about it is that we are intended, we are designed to interact with each other in order, you know, because we have all these areas in our chart where we don’t carry certain energy signatures. So that means that we’re here to learn about them from other people and our interactions.
Human Design reveals who you are, energetically and who you came here to be. I’m Dana, the Human Design specialist.
[00:00:41] Hali: and I’m Hali The Human Design newbie. Listen in, as we explore how leaning into your authentic self is your ultimate path to success today, we’re diving into
[00:00:53] Dana: The centers.
[00:00:56] Hali: You seem unsure.
[00:00:58] Dana: I was waiting for you to say it. Wasn’t sure we didn’t. Um, we didn’t review that part
[00:01:04] Hali: No, the topic part is you.
[00:01:06] Dana: Is it always me? Oh,
[00:01:08] Hali: Yes. It’s always you
[00:01:09] Dana: Okay. Well that’s fine. the centers.
[00:01:12] Hali: Because then I have to say,
[00:01:15] Dana: Oh, I ruined it for you.
So the centers. Now we get into really one of my favorite parts is the centers.
[00:01:27] Hali: Why?
[00:01:29] Dana: Because what we’ve covered so far, when you look at Human Design you know, with the strategy type strategy authority that’s very much how to, to use it in the sense of navigating your everyday life. And it gives you those decision-making processes and everything, but what the centers do is start taking it to another layer.
So when you’re looking at the Bodygraph, it can reveal a lot more information about your own, way of doing things, maybe how you’ve done it up until then. I guess a lot of times they call it Human Design conditioning, which has a negative kind of connotation to it. But conditioning can be negative or positive.
It’s actually kind of neutral. It’s just what what your experience has been so far?
[00:02:24] Hali: Makes me think of conditioning for a sport
[00:02:28] Dana: Um, well, that’s training, conditioning
[00:02:31] Hali: You had to do conditioning.
[00:02:33] Dana: but the conditioning is training. Is it
[00:02:35] Hali: Well, no, we would do conditions like for volleyball, we would have our summer conditioning, which is like we would spend a week just in the weight room basically. And then, cause we couldn’t technically touch a volleyball yet. Cause we would start, I don’t know. There was some rule, I guess you had to, like, it had to be a certain day before you could actually start like training with a volleyball.
And so we would spend like a week conditioning in the weight room.
[00:03:00] Dana: I think that
[00:03:01] Hali: thinking of
[00:03:01] Dana: conditioning, in that sense making you stronger, I guess, I suppose more in athletic shape after you guys have turned to dough over the summer, I think that’s what they do. But sitting around on the beach, hanging out, you need to get a little muscle mass going. No, this is different kind of conditioning.
So basically what I like about looking at the centers is it can give you a lot more information about yourself as you are now. Really you can see how you’re designed to be, but then when you say you can see your conditioning it’s because we can see the areas within our, our energetic makeup That we tend to be more influenced by others. Okay. So that’s kind of the overview. So where would you like to start?
[00:03:59] Hali: I don’t know.
[00:04:00] Dana: Well, here’s the thing. I, I could just keep talking, but I keep waiting for you to ask me a question help direct me. If I start going too long talking, you gotta let me know because I can keep going. So, um, okay. So when we look at the Bodygraph, the Bodygraph is a map. Okay. It’s a view of what’s going on within us, so to speak.
So it’s, it’s representing what is actually energetically happening inside of us. And so the centers are the shapes that you’ll see on the Bodygraph you’ll see, nine of them, the total, you’ll see triangles and you’ll see squares. Those are the centers.
So, so what we need to first, before we go into the individual centers is we need to talk about the definition in the centers.
What is a defined center and what is undefined? Okay.
[00:05:02] Hali: Yes.
[00:05:02] Dana: So if you’re looking at, remember, you’re looking at the body graph, you’ll see the nine shapes. And they will either be colored in or they will be white. So yes,
[00:05:18] Hali: you have forgotten trying to think ?What they’re colored and like they colored in corresponding to the color of the shape because the shapes are different colors.
[00:05:28] Dana: Yes. There’s uh, that there are different colors, but there’s only brown, green, yellow, and red in the Human Design system. I think I’ve said before. I like making graphics for pretty things sometimes when we’re just, when I’m just looking at just the centers, not the whole system or working with someone, looking at their Bodygraph.
I like to use different colors that are more corresponding with the chakras, but because I have a longer, I have a longer background history with familiarizing myself with those colors, which are like colors of the rainbow. And the reason for that is because in the they, the different centers vibrate at a different, frequency. So you know how light works the rainbow. So like the red is a lower wave or a slower way. I should say.
[00:06:26] Hali: I think it’s shorter and longer. Yeah. It’s a longer
[00:06:29] Dana: wave. It’s not as, um, vibrationally intense,
so where it’s more dense and then it’s a denser energy in the body. But then, uh, as it moves up the chakra system, it gets to the higher frequencies and that’s, where you get the different colors because they correspond with light.
However, that’s a different from the Human Design system. It doesn’t, it’s not represented in the same way and it doesn’t work the same way.
So the, the centers that are colored in doesn’t matter what color they are, but they’re going to have color in there.
Those are your defined centers. And the defined centers are centers where you carry more consistent, reliable energy. So I would also like to say as an overarching thing, as we move forward, that when you’re looking at the chart and the whole system, and you’ve got all these centers, you’ve got all these gates, you’ve got all these channels.
The important thing to remember is that. This is a representation of what it means to be human as a whole. And so each theme that’s represented in the chart, through the gates and the channels and everything, we all have all of the chart. It’s present within all of us. Sometimes people will look at a chart and say, oh, I don’t have gate 42.
So I don’t have access to that energy. That’s not true. You, we all have all the chart. And it’s really just a matter of how we experience those energies, whether they are consistent and reliable within us, or like it’s something we always carry and express, or if it’s something that we learn about from others.
So that’s important because in your defined areas, you’re colored in areas, those, the areas where you are consistent, you always carry that energy with you. And if you are undefined, if you have undefined centers, the white centers, those are areas where your energy is more variable you’re receiving from others.
So if you think about defined is like broadcasting a signal out because that’s the energy signature that you carry. It’s sharing it with everyone around you. Whereas the white centers are open and receiving signals from others. You follow?
[00:08:55] Hali: Yes. And definition is caused when the center, when a center is connected to another center through a channel.
Correct?
[00:09:05] Dana: There goes your first gold star, for this episode star count
Yes. So, everybody will carry definition either through centers or gates because the gates are the it’s all determined by the neutrinos and the, the planets and what was happening in the cosmos, the moment you were born. So we all carry some sort of definition. The only type that will have no centers defined is the?
[00:09:38] Hali: Reflector,
[00:09:38] Dana: Correct. Yeah. Reflectors have gates defined, but none of them connect through channels to other centers. So that would make them a a reflector. So, already that could tell you that that person as a reflector is receiving information from their environment at all times, because they don’t have any definition.
So they are always receiving, okay. So we have the defined areas, defined centers and the undefined centers. And so what’s interesting, is that what that means, if you think about it is that we are intended, we are designed to interact with each other in order, you know, because we have all these areas in our chart where we don’t carry certain energy signatures.
So that means that we’re here to learn about them from other people and our interactions. . We talked about human babies and how we’re just like human babies.
Well, they’re not, they’re useless. They’re hopefully
[00:10:43] Hali: they’re helpless,
[00:10:44] Dana: Helpless.
Uh, I love babies.
[00:10:51] Hali: There’s so useless.
[00:10:53] Dana: That is so awful. Gosh, no, that’s not true. That was a slip, I guess I do love babies are adorable. Um,
[00:11:00] Hali: Little Freudian slip there?
[00:11:02] Dana: No,, I think babies are adorable, but, they’re born helpless and need to rely on the, adults, mainly adults in their life in order to survive and turn that means that.
As you grow from baby to child, you and your childhood, your you know, you’re in an environment where you’re learning everybody, else’s beliefs and traditions. And, they way they do things in the world. And that’s the way it’s intended, because we have to take care of the babies, but that’s also where our original sources of conditioning come from and take on because we are not only being imprinted through our open centers, but just imprinting in general, because we, we’re relying on these other people’s, Knowledge of the world in order to learn how to navigate the world.
[00:12:06] Hali: ’cause I mean, isn’t it up until like the age of six or seven or something is like the most formative years of a Human.
[00:12:15] Dana: Yeah, totally. And even somewhere it’s, it’s something around the first couple years to maybe around is around two or so. Um, a lot of times the baby does not even realize like the mother is a separate being.
Like, they just think the mother is an extension of themselves. And so that’s when you start to see them, when they start to realize that they are.
They have their own needs and their own way of getting things, their own way of communicating and stuff like that. That it, it gets interesting because it just, there was no differentiation between in the, in the baby’s mind, that little unformed mind we talked about.
[00:12:58] Hali: Maybe why they’re the terrible twos.
[00:13:01] Dana: Well, in a way they are, they start noticing they have their own, not so much autonomy. They, they do still need, but you know, adults, but they’re starting to realize like, Hey, this is my own vehicle.
[00:13:14] Hali: This is my arm.
[00:13:16] Dana: I can operate this thing. but anyways, so, you know, we’re designed to rely on our parents and our families to teach us these things.
But at the same time, it can teach us ways of being that might not be correct for us energetically.
And so life becomes a process of, if you look at it and try to become aware of it, of pulling apart, what is what you really are and what is, what other people have told you, what you are. And this can be a really difficult thing to do.
especially if you don’t have Human Design, which I didn’t when I started this process, I didn’t. And so it’s the last couple years being able to look at my design and, um, it really just confirmed a lot of things I’d grown to know about myself already, because I had been doing a lot of this stuff, but it really helped really pinpoint some layers of oh, Hm.
I could see where I took on other people’s beliefs about who I am or what I should do or how you should do things based on where my open centers are.
[00:14:28] Hali: Do you have like a, a biggest realization about yourself since like really learning about your design?
[00:14:35] Dana: I think, uh, in some
ways, well, yeah, there’s a couple, one of them would just be the whole type thing and the strategy and the authority, because knowing that I meant to respond to life and it’s responding to things outside of me, not just, I mean, I can have a thought of what I want to happen, but I have to respond to an outside cue or clue or sign, you know, I love signs and loving like, oh, it’s a sign.
This is the time and now I realize, oh, that’s how I was supposed to do things. That was cool. Um, but like we talked about in the last one about authority, realizing that I have an emotional authority and I’m not supposed to be super spontaneous in my decisions and that, uh, it does take me more time, then other people, not everybody, but some people to make decisions that are correct for me and how to define that and to realize that I’m just emotional, like that wave.
And sometimes I’m just going to be moody. And I, you know, I used to always try to figure out a reason why, but sometimes there’s just not a reason why I just don’t like, you know, and it’s just natural for me. And then the other thing would be when I saw my design, a lot of, a lot of things in my design, but, there’s a lot of what we talk about circuitry and, Which is, you know, future things we’ll get into how we’re wired, basically there’s there’s circuitry or themes that are themes between certain channels, connecting certain centers and gates. That some are, um, individual tribal and collective, and they have themes. And individual’s about their own process. Tribal is about, you know, your home, your family, and taking care of your, your people. And collective circuitry is about sharing with the collective, you know, the energy you bring in how those themes are collective themes meant to help the collective. And, and I have a large part of my design. We all have a mix of all of them, but mine, I have a lot of individual and I’ve always had this, kind of feeling of, belonging, but not belonging, like wherever I am. And I used
think I was weird, but now I can see, I can see things in my design. If that’s kind of, the role I play is is, is kind of being in things, but not really a part of things. Like I can dip a toe in and out all the
time. So it’s just helped me understand
myself
better. But, um, I digress. So let’s, let’s get onto the centers because you’re supposed to be reigning me in.
[00:17:19] Hali: I will. I asked the question because I wanted to know otherwise I would just keep thinking about it and not pay attention to what you’re saying.
[00:17:26] Dana: Inquiring minds want to know. Okay. So defined and undefined center.
So that means that based on the center, Defined, you’re going to have the themes within that. The themes within that center are going to be consistent themes. And then within each center itself, there’s going to be multiple gates that you may or may not have defined.
You’ll have at least one, cause you have to have a channel to create definition, but the center itself will have overarching themes for all those gates and energies and channels. Make sense? Okay. All right. So let’s just kind of dig in to each one. I guess we’ll start. At the top
[00:18:12] Hali: at the top, I was going to fuss if you didn’t.
[00:18:17] Dana: Oh yeah, why’s that? Not going to start.
[00:18:19] Hali: Oh, cause you got to start at the top.. Yeah.
[00:18:25] Dana: You would like that because you have a defined head and ajna.. Okay. So the top triangle at the top of the Bodygraph is the head center. And this is the center of ideas. Inspirations. It’s like the connection to source, the divine connection to source or whatever you want to call.
What, what do we call? We could call it. We could call it. I’ve heard people call it Gus. I do like Gus. Did we talk about God, universe source, whatever you want to call it? GUs
[00:18:59] Hali: I like us.
[00:19:01] Dana: Yeah. Okay. No, no, there, I think I first heard that on Emma Dunwoody’s podcast, Gus. Um,
[00:19:08] Hali: I like GUS. Sums it up.
[00:19:10] Dana: It doesn’t sound so like hooey, new-agey right.
So the head center is the center of ideas, inspirations connection to GUS, imagination, and
questions and questioning. And it’s one of two pressure centers in the system. The other one is the root is a pressure system.
[00:19:38] Hali: What is the pressure system? Pressure system or pressure center
[00:19:42] Dana: center, the two pressure centers, the head and the root.
So basically our whole human experience is this pressure sandwich. It’s the pressure to get all these, um, to comprehend and make sense of the world. As we know it, all these questions and, and trying to really just, what does it mean? What does all of it mean and why does it all happen? It’s this pressure to know, right.
And so if we look at the whole population, there’s going to be, people are defined and undefined in these areas. And so in the defined head center population is about 30%. So not as many people defined in the head center, right. So you have a defined head.
[00:20:31] Hali: I do,
[00:20:32] Dana: I do not have a defined head center, so we have different, there are definitely differences here.
So as a defined head, you are an inspirational force in the world because that center is always connected to source, to GUS. It is always on, right? So you’re always asking questions and probably feel like something’s wrong if you don’t have the answer to it, you don’t have to have the answer to it. and you are always coming up with ideas.
You can have inspirations, you have just a lot of access to that energy at all times. It’s it’s like, uh, you
described, let me ask you this. Do you have a constant chatter in your head?
[00:21:22] Hali: I don’t think so. I mean, whenever you talk about the definition of my head, the only one that I could recognize myself as the questions. Cause I am always I’m like, how does this work?
Why is it like that? Like, that’s what I’m always trying to figure out
[00:21:37] Dana: I would say that you have a lot of ideas because I have an open head. And then when it’s, when it’s an open area, that’s where I’m taking in and receiving amplifying back, I feel a lot more inspired around you and have the ability to come up. You know, you don’t realize this essentially you’re broadcasting all these ideas out, but, and also in your environment with, uh, Presley, he has a defined head as well.
So you both could be pretty much in your own heads. You’re not really going to be, you know, picking up on each other’s thoughts that much.
Um, well, okay, so we’ve talked about defined and a little bit undefined, let me finish this, the, um, the undefined 70% of the population and obviously, uh, kind of gleaning from what we just said.
Uh, there is not a consistent or fixed way of undefined heads to receive information. It can come from anywhere and it often does, comes from anywhere and everywhere. And, so undefined heads are open to all thoughts in all inspirations. And so quite often when around others, people with open head or undefined heads could become kind of little overwhelmed or lost doubt confusion, uh, and really thinking about things and concerns and questions that don’t even belong to them. Right. So, and then you can feel pressured to make decisions and figure out and solve problems for things that don’t even pertain to you. And so you spend a lot of mental energy thinking about things that aren’t important. And I would like to point out the realization we had, or I had, I should say one of the last times we had a family gathering, which I think was Thanksgiving with your aunt and uncle.
I think
[00:23:41] Hali: Uncle Dan Aunt Nancy. Uh, no, that wasn’t Thanksgiving. Thatwas before. That was in October. No, because only Nancy. It was October because it was right after. Was it October?
[00:23:54] Dana: Well, it doesn’t really point being, I I realized, cause I’ve know, everybody’s Human Design chart as I looked around the room,
so I have an undefined head actually is completely open. Some people would say, which means it’s undefined and there are no gates activated in my head center. Right. Okay. So it’s really receptive and open and your dad is the same. He has the same. And I think your brother is the same as well, but you are defined all three head gates, not three channels, but you have one channel Presley has all three head gates.
He has a, another channel. Your aunt Nancy has the same as you configuration your uncle. Dan is also defined head and, let me tell ya. I realize that I’m the one that is always just in the scenario with, I love all of you dearly, but I’m a mess around all of you sometimes because I’m worried about what everybody’s thinking and what’s going on.
And I realized all four of you could care less and are not really paying attention to what the other people in the room are doing.
[00:25:12] Hali: You know why? You know, very, very evident point of that is the oxygen deprivation experiments.
[00:25:22] Dana: Well, that was, that was true. And that’s an inside joke.
[00:25:25] Hali: Yeah, but we were like me, me Presley, Nancy, and Dan, we were all kind of doing our own thing. And you were the one that noticed at all. I observed that really weird individual things I did. That was, that’s a good point. We were playing a game and we were having a break.
And your uncle’s rattling equations in the
[00:25:47] Dana: corner. your aunt’s counting cards.
I don’t know. It looked like a moment of insanity that’s for sure. But, um, yeah, it’s like that. It’s like, all
of you were all in your own processing and your own minds
and you weren’t really concerned with what anybody else was thinking about. And I was just observing and thinking about all of the things at once and
it creates a lot of anxiety for me that I used to not understand.
But now I do. I’m like, oh, well, you know, so now maybe in those environments I can just chill.
[00:26:26] Hali: You’re like, they don’t know they are not paying attention.
[00:26:30] Dana: Yeah. So that’s, that’s kind of how that functions, the open head will pick up on everybody else’s inspirations ideas and whatever they have going on. And, uh, and then your dad, he’s undefined ajna,, and that’s a whole nother story. At least I’m defined ajna. He’s often not even in the room, he just leaves.
And then when he is in the room, he tries to entertain all of us. So anyways, um, So that’s the head center
Next, the ajna. And it’s very interesting to me that this is the one center that is named well. I mean, they’re all kind of named the same, but why it’s stuck with the ajna, I don’t know,
[00:27:15] Hali: because that’s all that is, uh, is that a, um, specific chakra in the Hindu system? So that’s the, one of the name
[00:27:23] Dana: it’s the same.
Um,
[00:27:25] Dana: so I think the head center, in the human, not human design, the chakra system, we called the crown crown chakra. So the third eye chakra, where, what we’re talking about now is not a shocker. It’s the ajna. The ajna is the mind. It’s a it’s an awareness center and it’s mental awareness. So it is thoughts, conceptualizing.
It’s like really literally how you think. Like the processes of how you think your opinions. So it’s more structures like taking all the ideas and inspirations from the head center and bringing them down into the mind and trying to conceptualize and think about how you’re going to eventually get that information out into the world, through the throat.
[00:28:18] Hali: I this whole time thought the head, the top one was the mind. I just hadn’t thought about it further.
[00:28:26] Dana: Well, we do. I mean, we do kind of interchange those words around here, a lot mind and head, like get out of your head, get out of your mind, you know, those kinds of things. So that is used a lot, I think, in our language, in our culture interchangeably.
But in this instance, no, the head is like a connection to source and ideas and everything coming down into the human awareness and then going into the ajna. The mental awareness of how do I translate this down into, uh, language communication. So it’s the way of thinking.
And so 47% of the population is defined you and I are both defined here because if you have a defined head, you have to have a defined ajna, because
that means, okay,
[00:29:11] Hali: Because it’s the only connection, right?
It’s the only, the only possible connections
[00:29:15] Dana: That’s right. And, um,
[00:29:17] Hali: for the head.
[00:29:18] Dana: Right. And so my ajna’s is defined through the throat. So, uh, so if you’re defined in these areas, you tend to think in a consistent way and are not as easily influenced by other’s opinions. Uh, likely to always be thinking always, processing information.
And even when you don’t need to be. So like,
People with defined ajnas enjoy mental stimulation, doing the word search or Wordle.
I love Wordle.
[00:29:47] Hali: I haven’t done it in a few days. I like Soduko
[00:29:49] Dana: I haven’t done it in a week or so.
I can’t do numbers. I know that has to do with numbers. Don’t like Which makes sense though, because the, the gates that I have defined are more in the knowing, uh, circuit, which is what it suggests knowing, but you have a lot of logical circuitry, so you do probably like numbers and things.
And I’m like, I can’t compute, it does not work. I’m always like, I, which you remember how you like, you like baking. And I like cooking because it’s like how
[00:30:23] Hali: precise,
[00:30:25] Dana: I just kinda know what to do. So, um, when you’re talking about there, you’re defined ajna and we’re talking about the mental stimulation, but you also probably have hard time, uh, clearing your mind sometimes and finding silence.
I think, especially with that connection that head connection as well. and we tend to define, doshas want to make decisions from thinking. And thinking, is not how you make a decision. It can help you turn a decision over and over and over and over again in your head. But in order to make a decision, you should trust your…
[00:31:02] Hali: me personally?
I don’t know how to G so authority?
[00:31:14] Dana: Yeah. That’s your spleen.
True. Okay. So undefined then 53% of the population. Now this is literally somebody with an open mind. They are open-minded. They can see all sides to a situation, usually fair. They don’t really think in one linear, way. They don’t do things always the same.
They’re not always thinking the same. They can be a lot more open to new ideas, considered more literally out of the box thinkers. Because if you think about they’re not structured, they’re not stuck in these certain ways and patterns of how they process their information. They’re open to lots of different ways.
So say somebody, with an open ajna if they were around you with a more logical circuitry, they might, look at things a little more logically. Whereas with me, they might be a little more kind of open and you know what I’m saying? Does that make sense?
[00:32:15] Hali: Yeah, it’s just, it’s very interesting that more of the population is undefined in the head.
Just kind of, when you think about the, uh, kind of the state of the U S especially? How it’s kind of a little bit of a shit show? it’s just interesting. Cause I would, it just definitely shows that people aren’t paying attention or living by their design in any mean that I would think of 53% of the population is more open-mind open-minded than.
[00:32:44] Dana: More influenced. They are influenced by what is happening around them and who they’re
around. So, like I said, they’re not fixed in one.. Now, it doesn’t mean ideology. We’re not talking about ideology. It’s literally just how they process things. So if they are in an environment, I mean, you can see how it gets kind of tribal in a way, if they are an environment environment where the people around them have very fixed ways of seeing things and looking at things, some of them may be defined and some undefined.
And you’ll find that maybe sometimes the more, opinionated people are undefined because they’re amplifying the energy of those around them. But they could be easy to change their mind too, depending on where they go. Right? I And who they’re around. They can change their mind. It’s not a bad thing to change your mind.
[00:33:32] Hali: don’t they say that’s changing your mind is like, or admitting you’re wrong or something that is like a sign of growth?
[00:33:39] Dana: Well, yeah, I mean, yes, absolutely. I don’t mean to laugh at it like, well, yes, absolutely. Because that means you are able to look at another side of things and that’s, the tendency is to want to just dig in and have your own beliefs, but that’s what this, another beautiful thing about looking at the system and the way we’re defined in the, in these areas, because it can make it okay to understand that somebody is going to be a little bit more open-minded or they might have a certain way of looking things, looking at things that you may not.
And be, and if you know them personally, and you can look at their design, you can see where those areas are. And if not, you could just, you know, say, well, maybe that person just not open to change. And so, um, let’s see also about undefined. Oh, if you are undefined, you’re not really here to over identify like we were talking about with one school of thought.
So your mind is kind of an open mental playground, source of free and creative thinking. I will say this about undefined, especially with an undefined head center. All that openness could really just make a really open minded person, that just kind of follows their creative ideas or, you know, changes depends on who they’re with.
And I’ve, I think personally, with your, with your dad, he always talks about, his memory and I think it’s, and he he’s, he’s sensitive to it, but it’s, he thinks he doesn’t have a good memory and, there is a case for that, for sure. And I think, but I, it can be also influenced by his open head and open ajna in the sense that he’s not designed really to retain a lot of information because he’s designed to always be open to more, you know, and to look at ways to look at things differently than other people and process things differently, which makes him so creative and the genius that I think he is, you know, he’s just, we know that he’s somebody can learn, fix, or do really anything.
He puts his mind to.
[00:35:52] Hali: Yeah. And he’ll sometimes he’ll do it. If he just comes in round side, he looks over your shoulder, what you’re doing. But he also said to people on TV, he’s like, oh, I wouldn’t have done it that way. Or why did you do it that way?
Cause he just, he can just see a better or different way to do it.
[00:36:09] Dana: Definitely different. And he can look at things differently. He does gather information from lots of sources, but then he usually, you know, does it his own way. And I’ve tried to tell him that, that he’s not necessarily meant to hold on to all these thoughts.
They’re just meant to influence him and he can use them. But.
But then I also think it could be a function of just not paying attention, because there is so much he’s being bombarded with all the time. I think a lot of times just not paying it. I don’t know if he’ll listen to this podcast either. I gave him an episode and I still don’t think he’s listened to it.
[00:36:45] Hali: I don’t think any of the men in our life will listen to it.
[00:36:48] Dana: It’s okay. It’s fine. All right. That is the ajna center. This is going to take a while.
[00:36:57] Hali: We might have to make this a two parter .
[00:36:59] Dana: We’ll see. All right. So the next center is the throat center, So the throat center is a manifestation center and in Human Design, They kind of say all, all roads lead to the throat.
it is the center of communicating and expressing of language. And it is the manifestation center because as humans, this is how we get things to happen in the world around us. We have to be able to communicate our ideas and our thoughts, right? So, 72% of the population is defined in the throat.
[00:37:32] Hali: Really?
[00:37:34] Dana: Defined means different than motorized, which meant we talked about that before with the, the types. But so if you are defined in the throat, Which I am, and you are not a defined means you designed to speak and how you speak is determined by what gates create you definition. So,
[00:37:57] Hali: what do you mean by how you’re designed to speak?
[00:38:01] Dana: Well, let’s put it like this. So I’m defined through my, my throat is defined through the ajna, through the channel 43, 23. That means I’m defined to speak about what’s on my mind about what I think.
[00:38:16] Hali: And that would be if, if any of the channels from the ajna were defined, were connected
[00:38:21] Dana: Yeah. And I mean, this, this isn’t like you have, these aren’t absolutes.
Like I have to always say this, but as far as what I tend to want to communicate to people is what I’m thinking. Right. And how I think, which I think you hear what I’m saying and that’s usually what people with defined ajnas will say that a lot. I think, I think, I think right. Um, if you’re connected to the throat, through the spleen, it’s more of a knowing you talk about your knowingness.
I, I know this is true. I know this is possible, you know, it’s, it’s about more of that kind of intuition. And speaking about that, uh, if you’re connected through the solar plexus, which is the emotional solar plexus, it’s about what you’re feeling, and you might tend to say things more like, I feel. Now remember you could be connected to more than one area, but these are kind of the voices there.
And then the G center, which is right below the throat, which is your center of love and identity. So it would be a lot about, you know, I am type of speak and then you could also be, also connected through the will center. And that’s more about what, I mean, it’s an ego too, but it’s about the material world, so it’s really about what you are want or what you desire, those types of things. So you would hear a lot of people talking about what they wanted. People are connected through the will to throat, tend to be seen sometimes is more egotistical because they’re always talking about themselves, but they’re designed to talk about themselves, you know, so that’s right.
It can be good, you know, seen as good or bad, but it’s neither just is. So that is the defined center. Mainly people have a consistent way of expressing themselves and they, can do that now. Defined, like we said, doesn’t mean motorized. That means that still a lot of times with a defined, non-motorized throat, you can speak, but it’s best to kind of really wait until you’re asked to speak in the sense that in response, I mean, you don’t have to be quiet your whole life.
You can express your opinions, but in communicating with others, sometimes it’s better to, you know, wait for someone to ask you what you’re thinking or feeling so they can hear you. Uh, and then the undefined then throat center, 28% of the population, like my dear daughter here
Again, so this is an area that you’re feeling, you receiving, I should say energy from others amplifying and reflecting it back. So it makes you really good at, um, feeling the energy of communication from others, and so, what needs to be said. And, contrary to how I first
looked at it. You would think people with defined throats would be quote unquote, better communicators or speakers. But a lot of times people with undefined throats tend to be are, or people who speak for a living or are known to be, um, very inspirational or, uh, even singers.
They tend to have undefined throats it’s because when they’re in an environment, other people they can, this is on the energetic level, they know how to speak so the other person receives them better because really they’re picking up on those, those persons, those pers, their communication style, the other’s communication style.
And so, it’s interesting because they can just speak and relate to whoever they’re around. They just, they just instinctually pick it up. It’s interesting. And so, undefined throats have a little less control over how or when they communicate. So,
[00:42:20] Hali: makes sense..
[00:42:21] Dana: You could feel a little pushed or frustrated when you’re asked, like to speak spontaneously, like put on the spot.
Yes. Is that true? Yes. So you need to allow yourself time and space to communicate. And again, it’s not motorized. So also to be asked for what it is you want to talk about. Now, they will say people with undefined throats kind of need to talk a little bit more, need a little bit more attention. Which I, I, I still, I will admit in this area.
I don’t really, I’m gonna admit, I don’t really understand the reasoning for that because my experience with you growing up is you weren’t much of a talker at all?
[00:43:12] Hali: No, no.
[00:43:15] Dana: Maybe you were just naturally living out your design. You did like attention,
[00:43:19] Hali: but didn’t it take me a long time before I actually started speaking?
[00:43:24] Dana: No, not like a long time. I mean, it wasn’t unusually like developmentally wrong or anything. It was just, you were, a little over two. I mean, you communicated fine, but I just don’t think you were bothered to. I think because you’re freakin, you’re defined head. I was able to read your mind. I always knew what you needed. Really, really easy to anticipate some things that you needed, a lot of times.
[00:43:51] Hali: You said I wasn’t a fussy baby. And then Ian always was fussy.
[00:43:55] Dana: Yeah. There’s a lot of, a lot of reasons for all that differences between you two. Um, for sure. Which is, what’s so fascinating. Cause you say people say I had one baby, a dream, and one was a nightmare, which is not what I’m saying because he’s, but I was stressed.
But looking now that I could see your design, it makes total sense why you guys are so different. You’re designed differently in so many ways. I mean, for one thing, your generator or you’re a projector and he’s a generator and that’s going to feel different. But anyways, um, one thing about the. Well, I think we already covered this with a throat, whether it’s undefined or non-motorized it’s if you feel, um, if you try to speak in a situation without being asked or, you know, you’re just pushing it out there might not be heard or understood.
So it’s always good to kind of be aware of that. Okay. Let’s move on.
[00:44:53] Hali: I get the heart and, or there’s a heart or G-center, are those the same terms?
[00:45:00] Dana: Well, the G center, yes, the, the heart chakra in the chakra system split in the Human Design system, they said in 1781, when we became nine centered beings as opposed to seven centered beings
and that was the split there. So the heart chakra was always the center of love and, um, identity and all this other stuff. And so it’s just kind of split two functions and I,
[00:45:30] Hali: I just, I would, I just get the will center and the heart center get them flip-flopped
[00:45:36] Dana: well, it’s the G center.
[00:45:39] Hali: G-center
[00:45:41] Dana: is the one in the middle, the yellow diamond, diamond,
[00:45:44] Hali: not a triangle,
[00:45:45] Dana: not a triangle yellow diamond. In the G center in the center is the G center. And then the, uh, smaller triangle down to the right of it is the will center. Which I refer to it as will center, it is also referred to in traditional Human Design as the heart center.
That, that little one. Yeah. But I don’t, I just never really liked calling it that. And so it’s kind of been interchangeable depending on who you’re talking to. I go with the will center. Some people call it the ego center,
[00:46:20] Hali: Which one’s the monopole?
[00:46:22] Dana: The G center right there in the middle of the chest, the monopole. So,
as you said, this is where the monopole resides the center of love, identity and direction. And so 57% of the population’s defined. Okay. So when you’re defined in the G center, you are more secure in your identity and love for yourself, and you can love others without becoming dependent on them.
Like you have your own, more stable sense of self of who you are. Uh, you can have a sense of correct direction or mission in your life. You know, That’s a pretty bold statement, but it’s possible and can be a natural at helping point out direction for others. Okay. Uh, so you are more likely to be connected to your own center and you know that I just see it as this it’s, it’s a, the way I experience it, G center that is defined is this solid kind of grounding in myself.
Now, when I first learned about this, if I said, somebody says, oh, you know who you are and where you’re going, I’ll say, well, no, that’s not true. But then if people try to put other identities on me, I just know that’s not me. Like I said, I can’t always tell you who I am. I can definitely tell you who I’m not.
Like I just know it to my core. And for an undefined center, which is 43% of the population, undefined, G your sense of self and direction is more effected by your environment and who you’re with. Because again, you are receiving that energy from others and how they see themselves. And so I see somebody with an undefined G, as, kind of like that chameleon, you know, depending on who they’re with, they could, they probably have bunches of different sets of friend groups that could all be very different and yet they could fit in, in every friend group.
Does that make sense?
[00:48:34] Hali: I was just kinda thinking, cause I’m not defined there. So I was kind of seeing, I was like, I don’t have a ton of friend groups to begin with, but it makes me sound sad. I just don’t, I don’t have the energy for a lot of friends.
[00:48:50] Dana: Yeah. Oh, oh projector. Well, it’s true. You actually don’t because you are very open.
So it is kind of exhausting for you to, you always be, on and around other people.
[00:49:04] Hali: Yeah. But I would say my friends that I do have, like, I feel like I’ve obviously they’re my friends, but I feel like I fit in with them very well. Even when there’s like a little bit bigger of a group
[00:49:17] Dana: well, I mean, because there is this quest to find the right people to fit in with, because, you’re very sensitive with an open G to your environment, to your physical environment. And so quite often they’ll say if you, if you were in an environment that does not feel good to you, like walk into a restaurant or you go to the store, whatever you walk into someone’s house, it doesn’t feel good to you, chances are the people in that environment aren’t correct for you either. There’s a reason for that. There’s a sensitivity for that and there’s just, you just don’t need to be there. And so, um, it’s, it’s interesting because there’s always kind of this quest and I, what I’ve heard from people, undefined, G is this, when they realize this about themselves, it’s kind of a relief to know that this is just literally a mechanical function of their energy, this feeling of will I ever know myself and no, it’s always going to be kind of fluid.
There’s going to be changes depending on where you live and who you’re with. And just kind of finding comfort to know that your sense of self is more dynamic
[00:50:31] Hali: It’s helpful because I don’t have a sense of self I’m always asking you, I’m like, do I, am I like this?
[00:50:39] Dana: Well, you know, and, and, and that’s also part of your function, uh, that is a function of you being a projector as well, because the projector aura really does kind of reach out and penetrate into the aura of others and helps you see others so clearly, but not yourself as clearly. And then, you know, with the open G center that also is this sense of, you know, Well, who am I really? You are meant to learn all the things from the people.
[00:51:12] Hali: It’s very vague.
[00:51:14] Dana: It’s very vague. Right. But when you can just kind of relax and know that really you can lean in to knowing that if you were just placing yourself in an environment that feels good, the right people and the right opportunities are gonna come to you because that means you’re in the right place.
Cause it feels good. So, yeah. And, I think what’s really interesting, the question, uh, that the, since it’s the center of love and identity, and so the eternal question is the undefined G is always like, am I lovable? Because there’s like, You know, am I lovable? Am I capable of being loved? Whereas the defined G is can I be loved for who I am because I can’t change?
You know? So it’s just, I always mull that question over with people is true because with a defined G you, you just kind of have to be who you are. You can’t be different than who you are. Whereas undefined, you’re always looking for that, sense of love and self. It’s not a bad thing. It’s not a sad thing. It makes it sound sad, but it’s not.
[00:52:24] Hali: When you say, am I lovable?
[00:52:27] Dana: Well, I mean, because there are people with the, um, undefined G that if they don’t know this about themselves and they keep ending up in environments or whatever, where they are trying to be somebody that they think can be loved depending on where they are, you know, it kind of can over time, ask that question, you know, because maybe they’re not in the right place and around the right people. So they kind of take it personally because they don’t know for sure. um, that’s why this can be helpful for people
Bailey says, yes.
Okay. Anyways, will center,
[00:53:14] Hali: will center
[00:53:14] Dana: Let’s move on to the will center. So the will center is also a motor.
This is one of the first motors I should say. We getting into, um, as we move through, there’s four, this is one of them. And it’s also known as the ego heart center.
And it is the center of the ego and willpower self worth self value. And it deals with, um, themes of the material world and being in the material.
So this is a pretty noticeable split here. So defined in this area only 37% of the population is defined. And, um, which is very, very interesting to me that means 63% undefined. So the defined characteristics, like to be in control of your own life, resources, and prefer to do things your own way.
these are people that recognize their own value and worth pretty much. I mean, we all carry conditioning. It all depends. You know, none of these are absolutes in the sense that these are attributes of the centers, but very much everything here, can, um, depends on your life experience and your conditioning.
Cause you can get conditioned in open or undefined and defined centers. That’s just different ways of being conditioned. So, that being said more likely to recognize, worth and value. And these are people that have more consistent access to actual willpower. Okay. So when they make a promise, they keep it for the most part.
I mean, like I said, there’s always variations, but this is a theme here. And so as we’ve talked about before, these are people it’s healthy for them to express their wants and um, what they, their own value and their worth. And it’s easier for the people this energy to do that. because again, it’s consistent energy for them.
Now, if you’re undefined. It means there’s not a consistent, energy for willpower, right? It’s variable. Sometimes it’s there. Sometimes it’s not, and they’re not designed to use willpower to succeed, nor are they designed to be overly competitive. They do not have a said consistent access to willpower and often borrow it from others, which would be the people with defined centers.
Right. And so they may find that when someone with this energy leaves their auric field, they often, I mean, it’s not immediate. It takes some time, but they often find they no longer have access to that willpower or that energy. They felt around these people. So if you think about like somebody like the big motivational speakers I’m going to use, if you ever heard of Tony Robbins,
[00:56:11] Hali: Oh, no, the name sounds familiar, but I can’t place it.
[00:56:15] Dana: And I’m not 100% sure he has to find will center or I’ve heard it been used before this reference, but just say there’s a lot of these people that give these, you know, big, inspirational, motivational speakers that can get people just really like, I can do it. I have the willpower and then they go to these seminars and they get all jazzed up and they’re like, I can make the commitment and I can be this person and they are on it the whole weekend.
And then they go home and a couple of days later, they’re like, it’s gone. It’s just gone. Like where did it go? And it makes people feel bad about themselves because they don’t have this consistent access to willpower. And this is also one of these areas where in our culture, society, we’re told to just stick to it, use your willpower, what?
To lose weight, to quit smoking, to do all these self corrective things. Right. You just have to have willpower
[00:57:19] Hali: that’s Presley’s belief
[00:57:22] Dana: I don’t even know if he has a defined, will,
[00:57:24] Hali: I was going to ask you that because I’m very curious. I feel like he does, but I don’t know if he does, but I that’s what I’ve been thinking.
Cause it sounds a lot of the like, can just do it and same with the G center.
[00:57:40] Dana: He has defined G yeah.
[00:57:42] Hali: Okay. Because he is, he knows he does know who he is and his,
[00:57:47] Dana: oh yes, he does. But again, depending on, um, who he’s been around in his environment, you know, and everything growing up or just beliefs carried over in his, his family line or coaches or teachers or whatever, the, we can carry these beliefs in these identities that aren’t true.
And we can, and that’s this whole, um, where people tend to turn in on themselves and turn it back on themselves and feel bad about themselves. Cause I’m sure there’s things Presley has committed to. Or made a promise to himself that he’s not followed through on, we all do it, but I mean, there’s plenty of things.
I’m sure. I mean, how’s the CrossFit going
[00:58:39] Hali: Or the real estate?
[00:58:40] Dana: Yeah.
I mean, it’s so pervasive in our society that we just have to work hard enough and have enough willpower and we can do anything. And that just doesn’t work for like two thirds of us. It’s not true. It doesn’t mean we can’t succeed.
And it doesn’t mean we can’t do the work, but we should never have to fall into this belief that there’s something wrong with us if we don’t have that consistent access to willpower.
[00:59:11] Hali: Yeah. I mean, we can’t, if we don’t have, we don’t have the define, we can’t do it alone. We may still be able to do the things, but we have to do it with the help of someone that has that access.
[00:59:21] Dana: Yeah. Or just, we just look, come at it a different way. And so like, the best thing for some of the undefined center is to, to not necessarily make promises, especially to yourself that you can’t fulfill. And little things are no problem. But if there’s, and this is where you’re using your strategy and authority comes in, you know, especially if you’re sacral, you’ll have that yes or no to know if this is something you can commit to. Um, if you’re emotional, obviously you should wait over time to see if it’s something you commit to. Right. But, You just have to, this is where knowing the strategy and authority could help you navigate these areas where we’ve been told that there’s something wrong with us if we can’t do it and be like, well, no, that’s just not how I do it. Right. And so also the center, this kind of ties into this whole thing of whether or not you can just do it or not is, as I said, it’s a center of value. Self-value and self-worth. And so people undefined in these areas tend to struggle with, self worth because they just don’t um, well, because it let’s put it this way, people can struggle with lack of self-worth. It can be a big issue because the world society puts value on confidence. Right. And willpower. And drive as the keys to succeeding, right? Like we were talking about material success, but we just don’t have the same motivation and themes.
It just comes in different ways. So if you can value and accept yourself as you are, and always in an undefined area, just the mantra should be a defined, not area defined will center is you don’t have to prove yourself to anyone ever. Period. Stop hard,
[01:01:14] Hali: hard stop.
Yeah. And
[01:01:18] Dana: that’s, you know, it’s a lot of us, so it’s important to know.
So, okay. So as we set out on this quest to go through the center, Really thought it’d be a shorter episode
[01:01:30] Hali: I’m surprised you thought it’d be a shorter episode. Cause you said it was your favorite.
[01:01:34] Dana: Well, I was just thinking an overview and this is very much an overview. I mean, I wasn’t thinking about, you know, probably at times going to different centers, which ones are awareness centers, motors, or the channel gates, things like that.
But I think we will make this a two-parter and get into the other. Let’s see. There’s four left centers plus they’re pretty. Yeah, they’re pretty important ones. I mean, they’re all important, but um,
my, uh, my non sacral co-host here, is lagging, a little bit, needs a break, it’s later in the day. It’s dinnertime.
[01:02:18] Hali: Seven o’clock
[01:02:21] Dana: by God. It’s almost midnight.
[01:02:25] Hali: I mean, basically.
[01:02:29] Dana: So, um, the next episode we’ll, uh, pick up the, the rest of the centers. We’ll just have a, to be continued.
Oh, right on cue.
[01:02:45] Hali: I got a gold star.
[01:02:47] Dana: Yes. Alright. So we’ll see you in the next one. Alright. So bye.,
[01:02:56] Hali: byeee
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