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Episode 007- Conditioning

[00:00:00] Dana: Well it’s variable. Yeah. How you, how you experienced those themes. And those energies are variable because it is a undefined area in your chart. And so depending on who you come in contact with, if they’re defined in those areas or not, you’re going to experience it, how they experience it. And so in the conversation of, um, conditioning, this is important

Dana: Human Design reveals who you are, energetically and who you came here to be. I’m Dana, the Human Design specialist

[00:00:34] Hali: And I’m Hali, the Human Design newbie. Listen in as we explore how leaning into your authentic self is your ultimate path to success today. We’re diving into

[00:00:45] Dana: Conditioning.

[00:00:48] Hali: dun dun dun

[00:00:53] Dana: We’ll work on it. We’ll work on it. Okay. Yes. Conditioning. What is it? Where does it come from? Because conditioning is, I’ve probably already talked about it on the podcast. Already use the words I’m sure. So in the context of Human Design, we will kind of dig into different types of conditioning and it’s not all in the chart.

So, well, first of all, when we talk about conditioning it’s well, let’s start with sort of a review of the chart as a whole, because if we’re going to talk about sort of what we touched in the last episodes, about the centers on. What is defined in your chart and what is undefined in your chart?

So how do you know how, when you’re looking at chart, what are the defined parts Hali? The ones that

[00:01:49] Hali: So it’s there defined if it’s colored in the center and it’s, it is become, it becomes defined if it has a channel that connects it to another center.

[00:02:02] Dana: Yes. And so if it’s undefined undefined, how does it look?

[00:02:07] Hali: It’s open. It’s no color,

[00:02:09] Dana: White? It’s white. Yeah.

[00:02:12] Hali: Well, unless it’s up against black background

[00:02:15] Dana: Oh, okay. Okay.

[00:02:17] Hali: It’s

[00:02:18] Dana: It’s not a PNG file. Um, anyhow. Yes. So. So each of us has a unique expression and our charts will all look different. Some will have definition in some won’t, but, uh, before we go into this discussion about where to find, possible areas of conditioning in the chart, I wanted to touch on that again, because it’s important to remember that the chart is, it kind of encompasses all the different archetypes of the, the human experience and themes.

So that being said, we all have all of the themes that are represented in the chart, through the gates and everything, but it’s a matter of which themes are going to be more consistent, obviously within us, that would be our defined areas.

Those are areas where, it’s more of a inner process in yourself working with your own energy of, you know, um, what that expression is like.

Or if it’s in an undefined area, those are gates centers, whatever that you’re going to learn about through your interactions with other people. And So

[00:03:36] Hali: So if they’re defined, are they just kind of more prominent throughout your life?

[00:03:41] Dana: Yeah, it’s consistent. So like, if you remember the, uh, the idea or the, now, I don’t know if it was analogy, but we were describing it as just defined areas or like the broadcasting signal for yourself. So those are areas that, are those consistent, energy themes in you.

So, especially in the context of this conversation, , generally the undefined areas in your chart are where you’re more likely to pick up conditioning and exhibit behaviors that aren’t necessarily yours because yes, because you’re, you know, taking

[00:04:22] Hali: Have that open it You have the openness to it. It’s not, you don’t have your own, like you said, internal,

[00:04:27] Dana: Well it’s variable. Yeah. How you, how you experienced those themes. And those energies are variable because it is a undefined area in your chart. And so depending on who you come in contact with, if they’re defined in those areas or not, you’re going to experience it, how they experience it. And so in the conversation of, um, conditioning, this is important.

So, so like I said, the chart can help guide us towards certain areas and themes where there might be conditioning because each gate has sort of a high expression, low expression, they’ll call it more of a shadow side or more of a gift side to it, which also brings in the work of Richard Rudd and the Gene Keys, which I use a lot.

I don’t necessarily, it’s not something you really teach. I don’t teach it. I mean, there are people that do, but his work is like a real contemplative work about these. And it’s not Human Design. It’s his whole different, his own different take on what all these themes are, but it’s a good component to use with Human Design.

Anyways, I digress, but he takes all these themes and it’s a high, uh, what he calls a shadow expression, a gift expression. And then a really like, I’m going to say the word it’s Siddhi, but it’s spelled S I D D H I, which is a Sanskrit word for the, really the highest level of attainment, you know, it’s like what they call an in yoga and all this stuff would be like the siddhis there it’s like the bliss state, basically, something like that.

So each gate will have different levels of expression and they change, I think it’s important to note that, you know, there might be a shadow side to something and then like a gift side and then that really high side of something, but it doesn’t mean that once you get out of the shadow state, you never go back.

Cause we’re, you know, we’re human, sometimes we’ll be exhibiting more shadow behaviors in some not, but

[00:06:33] Hali: Is the, is the gift and the shadow kind of like a positive and negative side to it.

[00:06:39] Dana: No, it’s not a positive and a negative cause I don’t want to use like, like one is bad and one is good. It is more of a, I th I see them more as ways for you to really notice if you’re getting off track or you’re out of alignment, kind of like the not self themes that we were talking about, the emotional themes of the types, you know, how, for generators frustrated, they might need to take a look and see if they’re acting, you know, in accordance with their type and strategy.

Whereas, some of these themes, in the chart, when you are aware of what they are, the, the higher or lower shadow or gift expression of something, then if you are starting to become more aware of yourself and your behaviors, you, you know, you can say like, Hey, I’m kind of acting from a place of, of lack or fear or anything like that.

Like we talked about in the centers, in the spleen center, for example, there’s, the. Shadow energies. There there’s a lot of fear, but then on the flip side, there’s a lot of courage and there’s intuition. There’s all this other stuff there too. So, so anyways, when we are looking at the chart and trying to figure out, what some of our conditioned behaviors might be, we can first look at maybe our openness, because this is one of the areas.

So let’s talk about for a second before, I keep going down that road is that, conditioning is used, you know, not just in Human Design, it’s used in a lot of, psychology and behavioral studies stuff. I, like our niece, my niece, your cousin, you know, I seen her homework, she’s in high school and she’s in this psychology class and I’m like, oh yeah, I’m looking at all the Western psychology and all the behavioral therapies and stuff.

It’s very interesting, but, um, Of course, I always had to put my 2 cents anyways.

So conditioning really is where are we acting? in a certain way, have certain behaviors have certain beliefs that maybe aren’t truly our own? It’s more coming from something outside of ourselves that has that we’ve taken on certain beliefs or identities, um, because of some other influence, but it’s not really us.

Does that make sense?

[00:09:08] Hali: Yeah. I mean, we all learn things from our parents and, our environment. When we’re young, we kind of take those with us.

[00:09:18] Dana: So. in the lens of Human Design, which is what I’m going to stick with because I’m not a psychiatrist, I’m not a psychologist,any of that stuff , I’m not a behavioral therapist.

I’m just somebody who has lived a long time, done a lot of her own work on herself. And now has this tool of Human Design to really has really helped me to laser in on certain behaviors or traits or beliefs really is the thing for me that helps with is beliefs that I have probably taken on that aren’t necessarily true, or they’re not, really helpful to me.

They may be coming from somewhere else. So. how we’d like to look at it and how I’ve been taught to look at it is there’s, um, several different ways that we can pick up conditioning. There’s five different ways in particular we’re gonna talk about, and they’re kind of overlapping. And so we’ll just list them and then we’ll kind of dig into each one.

So they are openness in the chart. There is, imprinting there’s something with the design crystal. There is a generational, um, generational traumas and epigenetics. Okay. So as we start digging into that, first of all, the openness in the chart, as we said, shows you areas where you are amplifying energy, right.

From others. And therefore, because you are amplifying that energy, cause you’re open there. It feels you feel it more intensely? Let’s say that. So that’s like, especially people with like who are undefined in the emotional solar plexus are sometimes seen as more emotional people and they’re more variable.

And they’ve probably been told they’re you know, ups and downs and they’re all over the place with their emotions. Right. And I’ve seen people who have been told that in their lives. And then when they realize that they are undefined in that area, that, you know, you can give them that perspective of like, oh, well, whose emotions was whose emotions were.

Where I was, I know it was, was I, um, amplifying? Was that me? Or was that someone else? Right. So that being said, these are areas that, you might take in behaviors that you start identifying more as being part of you because they feel more real. Does that make sense?

[00:11:55] Hali: Say that again,

[00:11:58] Dana: In your open centers? Because those are areas where you’re taking in the energies of others and amplifying it and reflecting it back out, they say, but really that’s you acting in that way? The person can start to believe that that expression of those energies is really them, right? Because they feel it more intensely and people will tell them, whoa, you know, that’s a lot, you know, you’re like this or you’re like that, but really you’re just reflecting back the people that you’re with.

Okay. So these are areas where, especially if you’re not aware of this, which most of us aren’t aware of this information that, over the years growing up, you know, you just like. Are told this is you and you feel it. You’re like, yeah, that sounds like me. I’m really emotional, you know, but maybe you’re not.

So, um, it’s a good place to look in your own behaviors, but if you’re someone who like maybe works with, with clients or, you know, somebody else that, you know, coach or whatever, and therapy that, especially with patients that have not, or customers or clients that, have been having these blocks as to look in these areas and see what their definition is because, especially with an open center, but they might have gates that are defined, that would give even more clues as to, um, how they’re expressing that energy, if it’s, if it’s really theirs or if it’s somewhere else.

So that’s openness. That’s one area. It’s a big one. I mean, it’s definitely one we can

[00:13:35] Hali: So would you say, is there like out of the five types of conditionings, is there one. Probably more prominent or more typical, like, would openness be probably the biggest source of con conditioning.

[00:13:52] Dana: Yeah, because, because it’s not limited to just, um, your family of origin, which is the next one, you know, imprinting is the next one. Like I said, there’s, I feel there’s a lot of overlap in these, because that openness and let’s, let’s, let’s put it this way to, conditioning’s not all in the past, it’s ongoing, right?

I mean, as long as you’re living, this is something that you’re going to have to keep checking in with. because you’re always coming in contact with other people. You’re always having new experiences. And like we said, you know, nothing is fixed in stone as far as, I mean, cause even the, even the chart, even though we say, oh, this is your energetic blueprint, your map, this is how you’re designed to be.

But, you’ve got a whole life experience and things, that are going on around you all the time. That’s gonna really, puts it in your hands to choose, how you want to be, which is

[00:14:52] Hali: I mean, things are always changing, so

[00:14:54] Dana: Yeah.

[00:14:55] Hali: Have stay on top of it.

[00:14:58] Dana: Well, yeah. I mean, look at the last couple of years, you know, I think everybody, saw that firsthand and how things change and really quickly and can be totally out of your control and who are you going to be at that moment?

You know? So. I can talk about that for a long time, but I’m trying to stay on topic today.

[00:15:18] Hali: Side note

[00:15:19] Dana: Put that in the Trello board new topic

[00:15:22] Hali: Side note. Did you see that they lifted the, uh, mask mandate on planes?

[00:15:27] Dana: did I did.

[00:15:28] Hali: That’s weird.

[00:15:29] Dana: Yeah. I actually saw somebody know with a picture, oh, Hey, I’m on a plane without a mask. I mean, you know, I might be tempted to wear a mask on a plane forever. You know, people always get sick, right. When they’re on planes, all that recycled air, whether or not it’s, COVID it’ll probably be something.

You’ll pick up on a plane. I don’t, I know when I flew last September, I didn’t, I mean, I had my mask on, but I wish there was times I could’ve like pulled off, but you know, still people are drinking water, they’re eating stuff. It’s that same thing. You’re like, you know, I would like for them to just enact no talking on planes.

That’ll be great because I usually travel alone.

[00:16:16] Hali: Uh, this is a silent plane

[00:16:18] Dana: Wouldn’t that be great. You can either have to read a book or watch a movie or sleep and nobody talks.

[00:16:27] Hali: I mean, my flights to take my flight to Tampa was actually pretty quiet. Um, and then the flight back, the people in the road next to us, they were talking the whole time, but I’m just putting my headphones.

[00:16:40] Dana: Yeah. Okay.

[00:16:42] Hali: Sorry. I had that thought and I would’ve just kept going with that, thinking about that instead of paying attention. So

[00:16:48] Dana: All right. Okay. I’m glad you got it out. So back to the show, uh, imprinting.

[00:16:57] Hali: we left.

[00:16:58] Dana: Another type of conditioning imprinting, which comes from basically what we’ve talked about a lot, that your family of origin, your formative years, those, those in your environment, your immediate environment, which I think is the strongest one, which ties in with openness, like I said, and that, I mean, it’s baked into the whole thing that we’re going to get imprinted from others.

[00:17:20] Hali: All I can think about is baby ducks.

[00:17:24] Dana: Oh,

[00:17:24] Hali: As their mother.

[00:17:27] Dana: I love that episode. Those was episodes of modern family, all of that when the ducks imprint on Claire instead of Phil anyways. Um, so this is a really big one and I think is probably what people struggle with the most because it is, really hard to recognize, I think a lot of times that it’s even happened or happening.

And, a lot of times people don’t realize it until they’re older, maybe even when they have their own children or when they get out of the house, usually it happens when they get out of the house, go to college or just you’re out of your family’s immediate environment and you start learning other people’s ideas of the world and how other people think and how they do things.

You’re like, what? Not, not everybody does this, like my family does. And then you, uh, can start questioning things more, You know, like I said, I think for, for myself, when, um, started doing yoga and all this stuff and learning about these things, cause imprinting, I think they would probably refer to that in, um, And a yoga as, uh, some S O some SCARA let’s hope that’s the right word samskara, which are what they describe as these grooves in the mind.

So it’s like repeated behaviors creates these samskaras these grooves, which is basically just that conditioned thought it’s something over and over and over again so you have these imprinted grooves in your consciousness that you have to change, that you have to basically look at it and ask yourself, do I really believe this is this really me? Is this the story I want to tell? And you have to start telling yourself a new story and start telling new stories. And it takes a lot of work. I mean, it, it can, or it can, but a lot of people don’t even want to do that?

You know, a lot of people don’t even want to, I don’t think anybody listening to this podcast though, because I think anybody’s listening to, this is probably ready to start thinking a little differently.

Ready to

[00:19:42] Hali: Smooth out those grooves.

[00:19:46] Dana: So, but yeah, early friends, teachers, et cetera, anybody that you came in contact with a lot while you were forming your ideas about the world, I mean, you grew up with me, so

[00:19:58] Hali: Yes.

[00:19:58] Dana: I’ve changed over the years. Can you think of anything in your friends or in your family or anything that you, got out in the world?

And we’re like,

I know that’s a tricky one and give you enough time to think about it.

[00:20:13] Hali: No. No really.

[00:20:16] Dana: Yeah. Well, like I said, I think when I started doing yoga and all stuff was like 2004. And so you’re still pretty young. And I realized in my first couple of years, when I started really digging into the, like the philosophy and all this stuff around, mindset that I was like, whoa, shit,

Whoa. Oh Lord. I felt, I had a lot of guilt. I felt really bad because also before I started doing yoga, meditation, all that, I was like, I was on anxiety medication. Cause I didn’t sleep well because my kids woke up all the time. Young moms, everybody has that problem. But, um, I was a lot angrier because I think I was just tired and I, um, realized I, probably yelled more than I should.

And I was really worried. You know, every mom is worried about damaging their children, irreparably, least the good ones. And it was a wake up call that I really had to start changing my behavior because I didn’t want to, make that the norm

[00:21:29] Hali: Well to make you feel better. I don’t remember you being angry or anything like that. I just remember a chap, chappy hile..

[00:21:39] Dana: Chappy hilehood, that’s my goal a chappy hilehood!.

Yeah, I would think something that probably got passed on a lot, probably for you. I would say if I had to guess would probably be around money and work because it was such a big issue in our family because I mean, you were very stable, person, not that we’re unstable.

[00:22:12] Hali: Me,, just me personally, as a person you’re saying I’m stable?

[00:22:15] Dana: Well, I think there’s a lot that’s inherent in you, obviously in your design that your are a certain way anyhow, of just your demeanor is different than the rest of it.

Not demeanor, your. Like your dad. And I would always say like, I don’t know where she got this. You’re very, self-motivated, you’re very organized. You’re very like all these things. Right. And we’re would only be like, I guess it came from grandma. I don’t know because we’re not that we’re very F you know, like, oh, what’s happening today kind of people.

And we’re always just making, do, and making it work. And you know, where you like to plan and you, went to school, got a good job and financially are stable. And you’ve picked a mate who’s financially stable because your childhood not so stable because

[00:23:07] Hali: His childhood as well,

[00:23:09] Dana: Well, his too, because we owned our own business and it was seasonal and it was, you know,

[00:23:15] Hali: it was an awesome childhood.

[00:23:18] Dana: Thank you listeners.

If you don’t know us, if we grow past, you know, our family, listening to this podcast,

[00:23:28] Hali: People go and start at the beginning of podcasts.

[00:23:31] Dana: My friends out there in Russia and the Netherlands of your listening.

We owned the beach business for 18 years. We did parasailing and banana boat rides on the beach here in Myrtle beach. So that was Hali growing up. And it was the best thing for her, for your brother, not so much, doesn’t like it.

Anyways, I was going to say. It was a feast or famine environment because it was a lot of, lot of hard, hard work, very physical work demanding seven days a week. It followed us home with phone calls and everything else from customers, paperwork. But, it would be a lot of money that comes in and then just as much money goes out, to keep running the business.

And then it only ran for six months a year. And then it was like, oh, we’re doing odd jobs in the wintertime trying to make it work. Cause I can never figure out why every year it can make so much money and then it would all be gone. And I’m still in the same like same house, same car, same situation. It’s like, I didn’t get rich, but I can imagine the ups and downs of that.

And you know, it would get stressful in the wintertime, uh, er, er, where’s the money coming from? So maybe in some way you, you know, we imprinted all these things on you. Work as hard and all this other stuff. And you have to change that story for yourself. Maybe you did. Cause I don’t know. I may have gotten off on a tangent again, but anyways, how we grew up affects what we believe about life and the world.

And, it’s not until you start questioning whose story is this whose life I’m living, do you really start getting the hard matter? So let’s move on the next one set. And the next, the next three, I think kind of overlap as well too. I feel like the openness and the imprinting are very much on that, like, side of what we’re aware of, that’s not even true because it can be in your subconscious. Now these other ones are a little more, let’s say out of our control as to. We’ll just go with it. Okay. So what, I hadn’t really heard this before, but this is, you know, something I picked up and I could see how it could be true is the design crystal.

So we talked about how there’s the, personality crystal and the design crystal in the origin story, you know, episode two, I don’t want to go into it, listen to it Um, I’ll just say it’s an episode two about the personality and design crystals. So basically the design crystal resides in the ajna center and it was called forth at conception.

It was called forth by the father’s energy, eight hours or so before conception. And they said it, they just kind of hang out in the earth. This is that, you know, the one part of Human Design I’m like really there’s just crystals hanging out in there?. I mean, they’re not literal crystals, but

[00:26:30] Hali: Just hanging there.

[00:26:31] Dana: They’re just hanging, you

[00:26:32] Hali: They chillin’

[00:26:33] Dana: So, it carries the information from basically all the previous incarnations, right?

So it’s, it’s in there because I also heard somewhere once and it might’ve been, I think it was Karen Curry Parker saying, if you think about, the immenseness of our souls our our energy, that is us over millennia or whatever, it’s, it’s, it’s too big to fit into a human body. It’s too big to bring down into this level of, vibration.

And so that’s how we get that personality side of the chart. The, the right side of the chart is in the black numbers is okay, this is what we’re going to work on this time around and using the design crystal, you know, this is the vehicle we’re going to use. This is the aspects that according to, this theory about conditioning is that there’s things in that design crystal that also need to be kind of worked out it’s carrying information from all these other incarnations.

And it also needs a little bit of healing, you know, it needs to kind of Polish off the stone, so to speak the diamond, polishing the diamonds, what I said, to, um, refine it right. Because ultimately that’s, you I think the purpose of everything is to just, you know, refine it and learn it and, get rid of all the, the ucky stuff hanging around and cause to me, nevermind as I say, I was gonna keep going on my philosophies about what God is.

[00:28:09] Hali: Gus Gus.

[00:28:11] Dana: Okay. So there are things that in this lifetime need a little clearing out that was experienced in previous journey. So that’s another form of conditioning that, could be relevant. So if you looked at the design chart, you could see the different side, the different themes and your design side, which is what a lot of people refer to as the quote unquote unconscious side, you know, the more hidden aspects of yourself that, I think do, as you get older, you start to recognize it more, but another place to look.

Okay. So the next one generational. And so it’s interesting if you look at, if you have access to birth information for like your grandparents and your parents and everything else, which obviously you do,

[00:28:58] Hali: Sup

[00:29:01] Dana: You can see that there will be similarities, basically. It’s something else that can skip a generation. So like similarities from grandparents to grandchildren and. It doesn’t mean they’re identical or anything, but you might see certain, uh, gates or channels or, you know, even, things that keep carrying on and, you can see certain things that get carried through.

So in, what I like to think of it is that, say it’s almost like chicken or egg. Like how far back can you go? I’m thinking like, say myself, we’re going to talk about me again. So say if I had issues that happen, occurred with my mother or my father, right. And they don’t necessarily have to be in this, actual noticeable things. They could just be like themes, like energies or certain themes, right? Because that’s all the gates and the expressions are, I might not carry those themes, but my children might so you kind of learn about it from both aspects. You learn about it as someone who is your parent, that exhibits that energy.

And then you learn about it as someone who is your child, which I can tell you from experience without a doubt is a totally different experience of how you relate to your parents then how do you relate to your children. Because your parents, you can be very much like what do you know? You know, and just butt heads your whole life, but your children you’re like, oh, I never want to have a bad relationship with you. I want everything to be perfect. I, I, I will do anything, you know, so you can, it’s another opportunity for us to learn.

So, um, but generational also could be like, that’s energetically, we’re talking about that in the Human Design chart, but also there’s just things that get passed down in families, you know, from generation to generation dysfunctions, those types of things. So, um, but we could all say the issues that we had with our parents are similar, could be healed through our children kind of thing through that experience. So

So the last one I had to look into a little bit more epigenetics. Okay. Epigenetics.

Cause I was like, well, what’s the difference between epigenetics and generational stuff. Right. I thought it was kind of the same thing. Right. But I actually, it was very interesting because it says that certain traumas that are experienced can leave a chemical mark on our genes, like our actual physical

[00:31:43] Hali: Oh, that’s like the rats

[00:31:45] Dana: Exactly. Yes. Which can be passed on to, the, uh, descendants. So it, it says, it’s it doesn’t, it’s a mark, but it’s not an actual genetic mutation, but it does alter, how the gene is expressed. Right. It’s it’s not genetic it’s epigenetic. So, yeah. it really started gaining traction, this whole thought that, you know, this, what can be experienced by a, um, parent or, ancestor could be passed through our genes, our epigenes.

Right. So you mentioned the mice. Yeah. They done certain experiments

[00:32:23] Hali: Yeah, they like, would they, uh, I think they like made this thing that I think would shock the mice. And then once those mice that had been shocked had offspring, the offspring were like, re-introduce that thing. And they like would not go near it, even though they had never interacted with it. They just, they, they like knew that it would hurt them.

[00:32:44] Dana: Yeah. And then there was also one I read about this, this worm and an worm is called a nematode worm.

[00:32:54] Hali: think were

[00:32:54] Dana: Very it’s nematode. I don’t know, but it eats decaying material. Right. So,

[00:33:00] Hali: Yes.

[00:33:01] Dana: Right. Yes. Isn’t it sound like something you want to know about. Um, but course decaying material. There’s bacteria, good bacteria, there’s bad bacteria. It doesn’t really know which one it is when it’s eating it. It’s just a worm, I don’t think they have to, they have brains. They have two hearts, no brains. That’s the earthworm

[00:33:23] Hali: I don’t know, worms.

[00:33:25] Dana: But when they ate, they saw that when they, uh, lethal bacteria, which. They found that the females would tend to lay eggs after they ingested the lethal material they would, before they would die, they would lay eggs.

And they’re like, you wouldn’t think that’d be something they do right before they die. But the knowledge of the, uh, trauma and the subsequent death of the parent form let’s say was passed through genetic markers to the offspring. And so from there on out, these worms would avoid this, things that had this type of bacteria in it,

[00:34:05] Hali: How can they test that? Like how do they know that, that it’s within the genes that

[00:34:10] Dana: Science, Hali it’s called science.

[00:34:14] Hali: Ah, yes.

[00:34:16] Dana: I think we discussed earlier that these scientists are very patient people. They can spend their life. I don’t mean life, their careers studying worms. And that’s great. I think it’s awesome. But to bring it into Human, uh, examples, I was reading about, um, research. They did on something that happened during world war II it was referred to as the Dutch Hunger Winter, and it was an extended period of famine when the Nazis basically blocked food supplies in October 44 to the Netherlands. So it was really awful so that when they were liberated, there was thousands like 20,000 people had died of starvation was horrible and it is horrible. It was horrible. It’s horrible that it’s happening again right now. But, um, but so pregnant women were particularly vulnerable in this situation and it says that the famine actually impacted the unborn children for the rest of their lives.

So while they were in utero, they found that, they found that those who had been in your utero during the famine. So they were, you know, in their mothers,

[00:35:32] Hali: Babies

[00:35:33] Dana: They were actually heavier than average. You would think it would be the difference, you know, that they, their babies.

[00:35:39] Hali: They’d be lighter.

[00:35:40] Dana: Uh, but the thinking goes that because the mothers were starving automatically, it quieted a gene in the unborn children that involved burning the body’s fuel. Isn’t that crazy?.

[00:35:54] Hali: So you said it affected them for their life. So I wonder if they were always,

[00:35:59] Dana: Yeah. They were a little bit.

[00:36:00] Hali: Tended to be heavier

[00:36:01] Dana: Were. Yeah.

[00:36:02] Hali: out Their entire life.

[00:36:03] Dana: Yeah. They, when they reached middle-age they had higher levels of, the LDL cholesterol, the bad cholesterol and triglyceride levels. And they also ha suffered from higher rates of obesity and diabetes, heart disease, and even unfortunately schizophrenia.

Because while they were in there, there, the, the genes were expressed differently because of what was happening in the outside environment. So they found that when they looked at these, um, descendants, this offspring, they found that they all carried a specific chemical marker, an epigenetic signature on their genes.

[00:36:42] Hali: I wonder why more schizophrenia.

[00:36:45] Dana: You know, I thought, and this is I just learned this last night that there is also evidence of, um, some viral infections that occur in the mother or something like that that can have some kind of, um, cause of schizophrenia. And I am not a doctor. I’m not an expert. I am just hosting my little podcast here about Human Design and not about schizophrenia.

So I don’t know. And I apologize if I’m incorrect, but, that’s just what the research I, I did, but they also said that, yeah, it’s descendants of Holocaust survivors also, um, had higher cortisol levels, the stress hormones and stuff. It’s just, it’s just all very

[00:37:26] Hali: a lot of sense.

[00:37:28] Dana: Yeah. So. What to do with all this talk?

[00:37:31] Hali: It’s very fascinating.

[00:37:32] Dana: Yeah. What to do with all this talk about where conditioning, like, so we can have these ideas of where conditioning comes from, but why don’t we care? so in the original teachings, Human Design by you’re your friend, Robert Alan so he, he taught that deconditioning. The process of deconditioning is seven years, it’s just set in stone. It’s just going to take you seven years for when you first learned about Human Design to decondition

[00:38:02] Hali: They do say that your, all of your cells are replenished every seven years, you basically brand new

[00:38:08] Dana: That’s, what it’s based on. Exactly. Oh, look at you line 2, natural. We’re going to do profile lines next, I think. Um, but there are cells in the body that, don’t do that. Like the eye cell cells in the eye, they’re always the same. It’s the same cells throughout your life.

[00:38:31] Hali: You never get new eye cells?

[00:38:34] Dana: That’s what I heard.

[00:38:35] Hali: I know that your nose and your ears keep growing your entire life.

[00:38:40] Dana: Well, and I think there was one other, certain us, there’s certain ones in the brain as well. I’d heard that don’t die off and regenerate. Um, and they all regenerated different rates. You know, like the cells inside your intestines are at a different rate than your heart cells and the other cells, you know?

So it’s like, is that really true? I don’t

[00:39:04] Hali: Well, it’s just that every seven years you have every, you basically have all new cells. They’re not saying it takes seven years for every cell.

[00:39:14] Dana: I don’t know if it’s seven years when you first learn about Human Design. I think it could potentially be seven years from when you just first start learning about yourself in whatever way you want to do that. You know of self-awareness I said We know mine came through yoga, but I’ve also done lots of other things, you know, I’ve done the, the Reiki training learned about energy healing of the new couple years of studying course of miracles and changing your mindset and doing all this other stuff.

And a lot of that was done way before, ever heard of Human Design and yes, it’s given me more insight, but I mean, I don’t think it started the whole process, um,

[00:39:57] Hali: So he’s saying it takes seven years to completely deconditioned. So like you have no, at the end of seven years, you have none of this conditioning that you arrived with, arrive to Human with

[00:40:11] Dana: That’s that was, yes. That was what he taught was that just don’t expect anything before seven years. Like it’s a process, which it is a process, but I think what we know now there’s lots of different ways we can use different modalities that can help accelerate the process. So, which brings me to the next stop that I think our next point that I think we can choose to heal at whatever pace we want.

We can choose to change things because we’re going to talk about profiles here soon. You’re a line six profile. And one of the things about a line six profile is that, A lot of people when they first hear about it, well, you’re not really going to anything in life until you’re about 50.

How does that help anybody for the first 50 years? Right. That’s, you know, that’s what gets gleaned out of everything, but that’s not all there is to it. And that’s what I think here in this. Cause if you remember when he delivered this in 1987, when it was brought to him by the voice, I don’t feel like the majority of people were doing a lot of inner work.

I mean, this was the excess of the eighties, which we just watched the other night. We watched it. I think I’ve seen it before, but we watched American psycho. Have you ever seen that movie?

[00:41:28] Hali: I don’t think so.

[00:41:29] Dana: And it was made in 2000, but as I was watching, I was like, what’s the two thousands really that long ago. But I’ve seen, realized I was like, oh no, that it’s set in 1980 something.

Right. It’s on wall street. that time that your fiance thinks was probably a great time of what are the greed is good.

[00:41:51] Hali: Yeah.

[00:41:52] Dana: Is good. And, you know, and it’s just really a commentary and I’m just how shallow and vapid and greedy and that whole culture was. And then there’s the yuppie culture is all about status and outward, attainment and who had what, and what restaurants you had reservations at and everything.

So, this is about the same time that the system was delivered and, um,

[00:42:17] Hali: At that point I can see it taking seven years.

[00:42:20] Dana: Yeah, because there wasn’t a whole lot of support, but now in 2022, I mean, people are a lot more aware. They’re, they’re doing a lot of work before they come to Human Design. And I think when they do finally come to Human Design, that it’s just that accelerator point to be like, whew, you know, so,

[00:42:40] Hali: Clicks things then a little bit more.

[00:42:42] Dana: But the first step for any of it, whether you’re brand new on the journey or you’re starting to refine and really what to take into where some of these things might be affecting you is awareness is really to just observe your daily reactions to your environment.

And even when you start, you know, a meditative practice, the first step is just sitting there and observing your thoughts. Which is why most people don’t start a meditation because they think they think they’ll just sit there and suddenly be blissful. But no, it’s a lot of just sitting there and going, I’m thinking, I’m thinking.

So, um, mindfulness observing your daily reactions, thoughts, uh, journaling helps You don’t have to do it on pen and paper anymore. You know, there’s lots of great journals there for, on your phone for all you youngsters out there. Who

[00:43:32] Hali: Well, I love pen and paper.

[00:43:34] Dana: I know, I love it too, but I’ve got carpal tunnel.

So you know, it, it doesn’t always work out, but you can just start to. C and you might not see it right away, but you go back and look, I can go back and look at journals and be like, oh my God, this is the same person. Like what, how did I even think some of these things, you know? And so you really just start to become the observer of your own process, your own thoughts and what you’re doing.

Do you ever, do you ever do that Hali? Do you ever wonder why you thinking what you’re thinking?

[00:44:08] Hali: Sometimes, but it’s kind of like I’ve touched on. It’s pretty much what I’m sometimes when I’m falling asleep. And then, um, I just kind of follow my trail of thoughts and then I work back to see how I got there. And then I’m like, how did I, how did I get from what made me go from this thought to this thought?

But I don’t, I don’t know. I don’t ever.

[00:44:29] Dana: Well, here I’ll, I’ll do something. I’ll challenge you to something, anybody else out there challenging. So the next time that say, maybe you get annoyed with. Maybe your fiance, maybe somebody at Publix, maybe a co-worker instead of just being annoyed and being angry. I want you to observe yourself being angry or annoyed and see if you can’t, either write it down or whatever start to deconstruct, does that remind you something? Why did it come up? What was the specific thing about it? And is it really what that person’s doing? Is it you? Is it because here’s, I always noticed this when I was first doing a lot of these experiments of like, just automatic pilot behaviors. We have these conditioned responses and it was, in traffic or if, you know, you’re running late and you’re in traffic and he catch every light and you just like, oh, so mad, it’s this person’s fault that I’m late and it’s this and that. And blah, blah, blah. You know, just all the garbage in your brain. And then one day I was, I was feeling that way.

Then I was like, oh, I just started laughing because I was like, well, you’re the one that left late. Like, is it really a big deal? Did that person really do anything to, you know, is this really going to be that? Is there a bigger problem here? Is it, you know, just like question yourself, like, what are you actually thinking about and what are you actually reacting to?

Cause a lot of times it’s not what happening. So just pay attention maybe for the next couple of days a week. See if you just keep checking in to see if you’re acting automatically or if you’re actually intentional about. What you’re saying, or your reactions it’s,

[00:46:17] Hali: I’ll try to remember that.

[00:46:20] Dana: It’s tricky. It’s unpleasant, but basically, yeah. Just what stories are you telling yourself about your life, about people in your life and one really good thing. When you want to start digging into some of this stuff is, really, if you look at your life right now, for anyone who’s listening, who’s feeling dissatisfied in a job or a relationship, or they’re just feeling stuck or whatever, whatever’s happening in your life is really a reflection of whatever’s going on inside.

It’s just, bringing it to you. And I hate to say it in that sense of like, oh, you deserve it. It’s not that it’s just like what you think about yourself and your life is really what’s reflected outside of you. And so it really is that you can, you know, it sounds trite, but you really can change things, outside of yourself by changing what you, think about them, what stories you tell about these situations.

So what do you have to say about that?

[00:47:27] Hali: Well, like I know sometimes if I’m, I have found that sometimes if I’m feeling overwhelmed, like if I just tidy up a lot, like just pick up Bailey’s toys or like clean off the counter, you know, wipe off, clean up the kitchen, like that can definitely help to make me feel less overwhelmed. Even though I may not have really realized that I was maybe even overwhelmed about that, but it’s just, I felt overwhelmed in general.

And then I just kind of do that and I, I feel better.

[00:47:55] Dana: Well, and you know, you could look at another layer of that, of like, what is overwhelmed. It’s things that feel a little out of your control. So what do you do? You went and worked on things you can control, the cleanliness of your house, um, mindsets, my favorite thing, you know that I’m always, I am the, I have become the queen of the reframe.

I love a reframe. I love somebody to come to me and tell me all their problems they’re having with somebody. They’ll be like, have you thought about it this way? Let’s look at it a different way. And they’re usually like, Hmm, that’s a good way to look at it. I mean, I don’t have all the answers, but I just like to try and pose a different way of looking at things.

So.

But for everybody out there listening one, since we talked about the conditioning and where they could possibly come from, different aspects of your life and your chart, things, you can see things you can’t necessarily see, but really the goal here today to introduce this conversation is to just encourage people, to be curious, be curious about themselves, be curious about, certain beliefs that they might have, just start paying attention, look at your chart.

Where is your openness in the chart? You know, if you can, if you have the information, you can run charts of everybody around you, literally what I’ve done. So I’ve learned so much is, I mean,

[00:49:26] Hali: You’ve done the dog.

[00:49:27] Dana: Well, it is how you have

[00:49:29] Hali: You did the dog, you did her chart.

[00:49:32] Dana: Oh,

[00:49:33] Hali: Your dog,

[00:49:34] Dana: I was like is that, some kind of like cool slang. I don’t know about you did the dog,

[00:49:38] Hali: You did the dog.

[00:49:40] Dana: Like, well, okay.

Teach me what but seriously. I mean, that’s really where I started is just like, like I said, in genetic matrix, if you have like a, uh, a paid account, because you can run free charts, but it won’t save them. So if you do run your chart and genetic matrix or anybody, you know, make sure you download it to your computer or screenshot it or something, so you can keep it.

Um, so you don’t have to keep running it again. But if you have like a, which it’s nothing, I think it’s like the highest level of paid membership is like $9 a month, which is what I have, but you can store people’s charts and like, there’s my chart. And then there’s Hali and then there’s Ian. And then there’s my friend, Tara Richard’s way down.

I don’t know why it’s a few people in between probably cause I, it took me a while to try. I’m still figuring out his birth time, but, um, yeah. So you literally just because the people around you are the ones that you know, and we’re going to talk more about this in later episodes about relationships and everything and how useful this information is.

Um, especially in relationships, but, yeah, it can, you know, help you learn even looking up like celebrities, people you think, you know, I do it all the time. Now I hear somebody famous on a podcast talk and I might go look up their chart if I can find their information. And it’s like so interesting, because it, you can see how things get expressed differently through different people, but anyways,

[00:51:11] Hali: Yes.

I think it was yesterday. I was checking out at Publix and they had one of the magazine articles. It was like 10 celebrities that are secretly obsessed with fame. And I just rolled my eyes about it. But then one of the, one of the actresses that they had out there, it was three actresses was who they actually had on the

cover with that title,

[00:51:29] Dana: mm.

[00:51:30] Hali: Which kind of annoyed me. But one of them was, was Sandra Bullock. And I just thought, I was like, oh, she’s a reflector.

[00:51:36] Dana: She’s not obsessed with fame. That is the,

[00:51:41] Hali: I it really

[00:51:42] Dana: to her on a podcast.

[00:51:43] Hali: Women.

[00:51:44] Dana: She’s like talking about not working anymore right now because she wants to be home with her children. And she wants to renovate buildings in Texas where she lives. Oh, what a diva.

[00:51:53] Hali: She’s obsessed with fame. That was a

[00:51:56] Dana: rags? I can’t believe I used not that one, but boy, I used to read fricking gossip rags, like who was I

All right. So we’re going to wrap up today’s episode and, uh, like, like I said, I hope all of you that list and get some value out of this. We appreciate you listening and, and, um, you know, get curious, get curious with yourself

[00:52:24] Hali: Question everything

[00:52:26] Dana: Yeah, well, you don’t have to anymore, but, uh, yeah.

Start journaling. See what you think.

[00:52:32] Hali: Just kind of start, start, paying attention. How you feel, How how things make you feel. I guess it’s kind of

the

[00:52:42] Dana: How things make you feel? No, it’s how you react to things. Yeah, because I mean, that’s a good place to look where your conditioned beliefs, thoughts, behaviors are is because it’s automatic pilot because. That’s what your brain does. It filters out things that it doesn’t think are necessary. The re reticular activating system, which I forgot to mention that earlier, but you know, it is there to make thinking easier for us.

So we survive and unfortunately it just puts us on auto pilot. Most of the time, one day, one of these episodes, we’re going to dig deep into subconscious stuff because it’s fascinating how the

brain

[00:53:24] Hali: Always think of an iceberg. I love the iceberg

[00:53:26] Dana: I love that picture. Yeah. Okay. All right, Haley. So we’re going to wrap it up again. We’re going to wrap it up again.

Here we go. It’s you’re in the car now. I’m at the front door waving. Bye.

[00:53:39] Hali: So Phillip’s goodbye.

[00:53:40] Dana: it’s the Phillips goodbye. It’s long. It’s looping,

[00:53:45] Hali: There’s like five stages.

[00:53:46] Dana: But it, will end eventually. So. Thanks for listening. We really appreciate you. Bye Hali

[00:53:55] Hali: Um, bye

[00:53:57] Dana: bye.

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